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Trust the Bible, Not the ELCA's 'Ask a Pastor'

6/20/2014

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The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's website has a reoccurring column called “Ask a Pastor.” One recent question addressed by the denomination was this, “My kiddos go to a Lutheran preschool and we — me and my kids, ages 4 and 5 — are reading the Bible. How do you explain the very old ages of some of the people in the Bible (Old Testament)?”

These kind of questions are difficult to answer for a denomination that doesn't believe that what God tells us in Scripture is true. The ELCA casts doubt on Jesus being birthed by a virgin, that Jesus actually said what He is recorded to have said in the Bible, that hell or the devil are real or that God created everything in six days – all which is well-documented on this website. The ELCA even casts doubt or denies that Adam and Eve were actual real humans beings.

So the answer to the question, “How do you explain the very old ages of some of the people in the Bible (Old Testament)?” by ELCA pastor, Rosanne Swanson, is not a surprise. She writes,

“There are many theories about the ages recorded in the Old Testament — like years back then were not the same as years now so that there was a different counting system for years. Or, before the flood, people lived longer and after the flood they didn’t...” (read here)

How ridiculous that the ELCA even suggests that years may not have been the same as they are now.

Early church father and Christian theologian Augustine believed the genealogies written in Genesis to be literal chronologies. He believed what the Bible said, that pre-flood patriarchs lived to be around 900 years. (see Augustine, The City of God, Book 15, Chapters 11–12, pp. 436–440.)

Read just a few verses of Scripture on what God says about the age of people before the flood:

When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father of Enosh. After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.

When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died (Genesis 5:3-11).


ELCA leadership: God is wiser, bigger, more powerful, more intelligent than you are. Stop telling His children that God's Word is full of myths and can not be trusted. You are pushing people away from God, and He will hold you accountable for your actions and your misleadings.

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Chuck Braun
6/20/2014 06:16:38 am

Recently I heard it on the news that scientists were speculating on how human lifespan could be extended to not only 120 years, but perhaps even 500 years, or who knows how long?

I would suppose that after the Fall, when Adam and Eve were banned from the fruit of the Tree of Life, that the curse of death got ever more severe as sin abounded, and the human lifespan got shorter and shorter as time went on. And the systems of the human body that now promoted aging were getting stronger. Or perhaps God allowed a select few individuals to live exceedingly long lives to demonstrate His power and draw people to Him.

Interestingly, the Bible prophecies that in the last days, life on Earth would be "as in the days of Noah", with evil being exceedingly rampant. Could the fact that people will soon be living 120 years also be another part of that prophecy?

As Lutherans, we start from the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Word of God incarnate in human flesh, as proof of His divinity. Therefore, since Jesus spoke of Jonah and Noah as real people, and even called Moses and Elijah down at His Transfiguration, the Biblical accounts of these prophets must also be true. Wouldn't it be best just to take the Bible as true, rather than picking and choosing what we want to believe? With God, all things are possible, after all.

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Tim
6/21/2014 07:11:35 am

Journalists think the idea of people living to be 500 years old is just wonderful. But nobody wants to think about the corollary social changes, such as that the Social Security retirement age would have to be raised to 400.

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Marty
6/23/2014 04:58:03 am

According to the bible, Adam & Eve never partook of the tree of life.

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Chuck Braun
6/23/2014 07:46:25 am

It is true that there is no verse that states that either Adam or Eve partook of any fruit of the Tree of Life, but Genesis 2:16 seems to imply that it was not forbidden to do so. I thought that the original immortality of Adam and Eve was somehow preserved by the presence of the Tree of Life, until they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which made them mortal. And Genesis 3:22 tells us that Adam and Eve were then cast out of the Garden so that they would not become immortal, evil beings.by eating of the Tree of Life. In other words, I equated the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil as being also a Tree of Death, since God warned Adam in 2:17 that he would die if he ate from it.

I read in Revelation 22:2 that the Tree of Life will bear twelve fruits in the world to come, and the leaves are for the healing of the nations. So perhaps the leaves of the Tree of Lifewere its chief benefit to Adam and Eve...My apologies for making an assumption of something that was not directly stated in the Holy Writ.

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