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A topic that seems to be growing in ELCA circles is that of multi partner relationships. Below you can read a social media post by a prominent ELCA pastor where he lists his response to someone's question about poly-amorous relationships.
Another Exposing the ELCA article about an ELCA bishop's support of polyamorous relationships can be found here.
ELCA pastor Lura N. Groen has been highlighted on Exposing the ELCA many times. She is one of the most radical and heretical ELCA pastors I have come across. (See here and below for a number of things she has been saying. Some of it is blasphemous and vile.)
With that said, Pastor Lura N. Groen has been endorsed and placed into postions of influence and leadership by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
Below are some writings and social media content from Rev. Groen. Sorry for the shocking and odious content. How can the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America leadership allow someone, who speaks and believes as this pastor does, to rise in their leadership ranks? How can they allow Rev. Groen and many ELCA pastors like her, to mock the One True God?
The ELCA is culpable and responsible for this. They allow it and give it a platform in their midst.
The true God of Scripture is not the God the ELCA serves. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in it.
Continuing from Rev. Lura N. Groen's article posted above "I Hope You Have Only Good Sex" (see the complete article here), she writes, "This is, for me, an open expression of a deeply faith based sexual ethic. My Christian way of saying the same thing is to hope that each of you has sex in way, and only in a way, that is set free to love God, self, and neighbor. And that every time you have sex you respect the image of God in yourself and in your partner(s). That you treat yourself and every other body involved as holy, a temple, beloved by God, created beautifully, fearsomely and awesomely made."
Some of Rev. Groen's comments get even worse:
In the next post Rev. Lura Groen shared an article titled "What Promiscuity Taught Me About God's Love." The article was from QueerTheology.com.
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A few days ago a show by Bancroft TV was posted on Youtube titled "Being Polygamous And Christian Is Not A Sin | LOVE DON’T JUDGE."
The show spotlights two women and a man who are a "throuple" - or having a sexual relationship between three people.
Appearing on the show is Leila Ortiz, who was elected this summer as bishop of the ELCA Metropolitan Washington, D.C., Synod. (Rev. Ortiz was previously Assistant to the Bishop in the same ELCA synod.) Ortiz is interviewed, after we are told by the narrator that the trouple, “Having been asked to leave their Pentecostal church... went in search of a church that would accept their relationship."
ELCA Bishop elect Leila Ortiz then recounted their meeting and her learning about their polygamous relationship:
“There’s still many people who would be scandalized and would even be scandalized by my acceptance of them. And that’s okay, that’s okay. I’m very grounded in my faith.”
This is an ELCA bishop proclaiming support for polygamous relationships. Polygamy is against God's will as He clearly outlined in Scripture. (See here) The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has become so opposed to the Truth of God's Word that threesomes are fine. This is where the ELCA is headed and it will continue to get worse.
The following post is from ELCA pastor Lura N. Groen:
ELCA Seminary Student Defends the Polyamorous Lifestyle, Offers the Idea that Jesus 'Proposed' to the Disciples At the Last Supper, and sadly more...
This all began with a podcast about polyamory. "Polyamory...is the practice of, or desire for, intimate relationships with more than one partner, with the consent of all partners involved." (See here)
Invited to speak on the podcast was "theologian" J.D. R. Mechelke, an ELCA Luther Seminary student who is getting his M.A. and is also a high school youth minister for an ELCA church.
The headlines are numerous with this one so let's dive in and take a look at what this ELCA seminary student had to say, beginning with this blasphemous quote:
- "Some would say that the Last Supper, Jesus is proposing to the 12 friends and so it's very gay and very polyamorous."
Here is J.D. Mechelke's full statement beginning with a question from the podcast host:
More from the ELCA seminarian:
- "In the evangelical world, there are a lot of the songs and prayers that are used talk about, there's this very intimate, individualistic relationship that people have with God and it's very erotic sometimes. My favorite example is this old song. It's not old, but '90s, "In the secret and the quiet place, I want to touch you. I want to see the--"
"You start to think, 'That's kind of erotic and yet it's evangelical.' It's that we're doing that, which is fine. There are queer theologians that are taking that and saying, 'Maybe we have this erotic thing going on with Jesus.' Also thinking about it, 'This is my body.' You're taking somebody's body in your mouth, and so there's some phallic-."
- "There's this idea of the polyamorous crisis that's gained traction, but usually the safe way to say it is that God loves everybody. This isn't very safe to say, but God's a total slut in that sense."
- "Oh, God, I love when Jesus says 'bush'...I don't think of the burning bush, I think of something else."
(I believe the ELCA seminary student misspoke or there was a transcribing error in the second paragraph, and the first sentence that should say "...there's this guideline for pastors basically that says you can [not] have sex outside of marriage.")
If you are wondering what church would be most welcoming to polyamory, J.D. Mechelke answers:
"If a church is openly for gay and queer folk, my guess is that you probably won't have that much push back (on) polyamory..."
See here for transcript or see the video below)
It has been reported from multiple ELCA pastors (liberal and conservative) that there has been a discussion concerning polyamorous relationships on an ELCA Facebook group. The first person to report about this Facebook discussion did so in the ELCA Clergy, Uncensored FB page (link to this closed group here) and said:
This is what the referenced original polyamorous post said:
"I'm gonna throw this out there... And no, this isn't an April Fools joke...
Do you think there'll be a time when the ELCA supports polyamorous relationships? Not that I have one or will ever have one... Some people do, and honestly, I think it's great. People make it work.
I'm just asking because it's a common refrain when talking about same-sex relationships with people who oppose it, that they say we should accept polygamy as well... Which... Again... I'm okay with..."
Polyamorous defined as "more than two people in a mutually defined sexual relationship."
According to a couple ELCA pastors many in the group have been supportive of polyamorus relationships and some have not.
You should ask yourself what kind of Christ following denomination has pastors arguing for two, three, four, five + person marriages and sexual relationships? What kind of denomination graduates and ordains people who so blatantly reject the Word of God believing sinful behavior is good?
Pastors are suppose to be beacons of light for Christ. Instead many are a leading people down the highway to hell.
Below is a picture of the ELCA group where the discussion took place. Note that it is comprised of 20 to 30 something year old ELCA rostered leaders and seminarians.
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