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No Room for Biblical Lutherans in ELCA

2/19/2015

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A recent letter from the notoriously liberal ELCA bishop Michael Rinehart (Texas Louisiana Gulf Coast Synod) has made its rounds within ELCA circles. Bishop Rinehart declared to the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender community, “You are welcome in congregations of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). We are a church that believes it is wrong to discriminate against anyone based on sexual orientation. All are welcome. We celebrate diversity.” (read here)

Lutheran CORE, a “community of Lutheran Christians seeking to mobilize confessing Lutherans for evangelical renewal,” responded with their own letter saying, “on behalf of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, we encourage you to reconsider same-sex orientations and behaviors and to be forgiven along with the rest of us. We also apologize, on behalf of the Church, for any false hope that Bishop Rinehart’s letter may have given you.” (read here)

Boy did that ruffle some ELCA feathers. Here are some of the most interesting comments Lutheran CORE's letter received -

“Thin-skinned, bitter, deliberately ignorant–a terrible way to go through life...As for the ignorant, hateful people that left the ELCA over this–good riddance. We need them like we need a bunch of racists, slaveholders, and misogynists.” (from the comment section of Lutheran CORE letter)

Comments from an ELCA Clergy group -

  • “Oh my. I'm going to follow along with Taylor Swift: Haters gone hate hate hate. Shake it off.”

  • “I'm horrified and ill”

  • “Lutherans work hard at putting the best construction on situations. With that in mind, CORE feels like the crazy uncle at the family reunion. It also feels like they were talking to the ELCA more than anything. The LGBTQ community was just a pretext. For that, I apologize on behalf of crazy Uncle CORE y'all.”

  • “I'm not sure this should be ignored. How about calling people out for their propaganda? The written word of hate is what leads to hate crimes. This is not okay. The trouble is, I don't know who to call out for this, or whom to engage in conversation. There's no signature, but still I'm tempted to write a letter 'on behalf' of Christians who are sick of LGBT bullying.”

  • “I rarely hate anything... I now HATE CORE...”

  • “Isn't it time for the church to be at least as liberal as the Supreme Court?”

  • “The problem with 'can't we all live together with different views' is that one side wants to call another side sinners in need of repentance and then whine about intolerance when people tell them THEY are wrong and in need of repentance. I'm over it. CORE is wrong and needs to repent” (from ELCA Clergy facebook page here)

Comments from the ELCA facebook group -


  • “Don't know where he is getting this bs from. Maybe because ELCA officially views sex outside of marriage as sinful? (I'm not even sure if that is true)”

  • “This letter makes me feel physically sick! Hatred and intolerance thinly veiled in religious language does not change the message!”

  • “Dear Lutheran CORE: Please leave my partner, my family, my friends and me alone.”

  • “. . .church wide assembly spoke you listen that's the breaks baby.”

  • “. . .If part of bound conscience is about judging who I am, and I mean this in all Christian charity, you can take your judgmental bound conscience and shove it up your intrinsically disordered papist ***.” (see ELCA facebook group here)

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Didaskalos link
2/20/2015 01:39:28 am

Why do the proudly apostate ELCAnites rage and their clerical wolves imagine a vain thing?

At least three people know why.

The Apostle Paul understood the animating spirit of today’s ELCA: "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.”

Mark Tooley understands what is perhaps the most besetting heresy of today’s ever-shrinking ELCA: "Debates over same sex marriage and homosexuality were previously until fairly recently reserved for historically liberal Mainline Protestant denominations, who’ve had a 40 year conversation over Christian sexual ethics, having already liberalized theologically in the 1920s or earlier. Those debates have fueled accelerated membership loss and eventually schism for the Mainline Protestants, who have imploded from 1 of 6 Americans 50 years ago to 1 of 16 Americans today, making them no longer Mainline but more accurately oldline or even sideline.” [ http://juicyecumenism.com/2015/02/19/evangelicals-must-resist-mainline-protestant-trajectory/ — "Evangelicals Must Resist Mainline Protestant Trajectory”]

And S. M. Hutchens understands the rage of today’s sexual libertines, both secular and churchgoing: "What assertive homosexuality wants of Christianity is something it can never have. The movement for rights it claims to have been denied by traditionalist societies is not the deepest part of its quest, which is for approval by those who regard it as sinful -- which is at root approval by God. It cannot place high value on the approbation of "welcoming" churches, for it understands perfectly well that liberal religion, with its vaunted inclusivism, has no more moral authority to gratify it in this regard than a prostitute has to absolve her patrons. So the public homosexual is in the impossible situation of seeking approval in places where he can only find forgiveness, among those who are obliged to tell him, "It is written. . . ."

"This insistence fixes him in frustration and anger against those who hold to biblical religion, and may be relied upon to assure development of justifications for the punishment of the illiberal religions wherever homosexualism wins the power to do it. Attempts to incarnate itself in society can only be destructive to its religious enemies. It must be firmly opposed by those who do not wish it to do as it will in their culture, their governments, their schools, and their homes." [S. M. Hutchens in the November-December 2011 issue of Touchstone Magazine: A Journal of Mere Christianity -- http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/issue.php?id=165

How hot does the kettle of water have to get, ELCA parishioner who still believes and honors the Bible? Back in 2009, confessional Lutheran leaders were warning you, “Is ‘avoiding conflict’ the most important thing? Not when the great inheritance you were going to pass on is being frittered away. Your grandchildren need you to prepare a future for them. Don’t sit among the comfortably numb. Salvation is at stake. Jump, Lutheran, jump!”


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Jeff Winter
2/20/2015 10:57:26 pm

So good that people like Tom Brock help us to know what is going on in the ELCA. It helps me to pray for those who are caught up in the lie of this fallen denomination.

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