What do you know . . . An ELCA leader doesn’t believe what the Bible says; this time its about Jesus’ birth. Surprise and Merry Christmas! (Do they celebrate Christmas in the ELCA any longer?)
Here is what was said by Rev. Dr. Don Carlson, Assistant to the Bishop of the Texas-Louisiana Gulf Coast Synod, concerning the two accounts of Jesus’ birth in the gospel of Matthew and the gospel of Luke: “They are very different stories which are quite incompatible with one another. . .I certainly do not believe they are ‘historical’ in any modern understanding of historicity. . .I think that the stories are made up. (I’m retiring at the end of May anyway so don’t waste time with the heresy accusations.) They are myth” (read here). Here is what Rev. Carlson had to say about Christ being born of a virgin: “Focusing on the virgin birth issue, we need to remember that accounts of virgin or miraculous births were not uncommon antiquity. However, we also need to remember that such accounts were intended to express something about the character of the person born. They were a ‘character reference’ or ‘credentials.’ They were not intended to explain where the individual got 23 of his or her chromosomes. An understanding of fertilization and pregnancy in antiquity was, let’s say, ‘agrarian’ at best.” (read in the same article linked above) Toward the end of his blog/article Rev. Carlson gives this advice to pastors: “tell the old mythic story in a way that. . . it is heard anew”. In order to prove his points in the blog, the Assistant to the Bishop recommends a discussion of the birth narratives by the controversial Marcus Borg. (find out more about him here) Pastor Steve Shipman, director of LutheranCORE addresses those who teach like Rev. Carlson. Rev. Shipman wrote: “If a person chooses not to believe the Virgin Birth, they are free to do so. But they have no right then to claim to be a teacher or believer in Christianity. The faith once delivered to the saints is not a cafeteria from which we can pick and choose what pleases us. If Jesus were born in the usual way, then what does it mean that He is 'the Word made flesh'? How can God be his Father in the way the Church has always proclaimed, if he is biologically the child of both Mary and Joseph (or even, as certain blasphemous legends suggest, of Mary and some other man)? Some early Christians made arguments for what is called ‘adoptionism,’ which taught that Jesus wasn’t born Son of God but was adopted into that role at his baptism by John. This was quickly rejected as heresy, because then the good news of the Incarnation simply can’t stand. And it does matter for our salvation that ‘God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.’ It does matter that ‘the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.’ If Jesus is just a good human being, even a perfect human being, He cannot save us but would only have saved Himself. But because He is God among us, taking our humanity into the life of the Holy Trinity, we have a marvelous hope for this life and the next.” (read here) What I am reporting isn’t just one ELCA leader preaching heresy. No. Rev. Carlson’s article was posted on the website and blog of Michael Rinehart, bishop of the Texas-Louisiana Gulf Coast Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Bishop Rinehart is responsible for the article’s posting on his blog and he is culpable for what it says. ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson, the ELCA’s Church Council and all high-ranking ELCA leaders are also responsible and culpable for what he (and others) say and/or for allowing theologically false-teaching to be preached. Allowing this heresy is the same as promoting it yourself. They are accomplices and are leading people away from God’s Truth and way from Christ. People who don’t believe basic Christian truths and historic stories in the Bible are running the ELCA, teaching in the seminaries, preaching in the pulpits and “teaching” you about Christianity. Honestly, I believe Satan has infiltrated the ELCA and placed his people in leadership positions. Here’s some more information on Assistant to the Bishop Rev. Dr. Don Carlson:
26 Comments
Gene Henderson
12/20/2012 06:52:36 am
What then is the life and duty of an ELCA pastor if other than selling sludge to the unconfessing.
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Kent Wallace
12/20/2012 03:28:09 pm
This so sad. For the last several Advents I have been researching and preaching on all the astonishing HISTORICAL evidence for the accounts of Matthew and Luke. Those say it is not historical are lazy scholars who have simply parroted what they were told by their equally lazy professors. For example, King Herod the Great did not die in 4BC but rather January of 1BC. Quirinius arrived in the East around that same time holding a special Imperium from Augustus himself as the Mentor of the emperor's grandson and heir.
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12/21/2012 02:34:49 am
Decades ago, mainline denominations had only an occasional heretic (e.g., John Shelby Spong) to embarrass them. Now, heresy is the natural order of things for denominations like the ELCA, the Episcopal Church, and the United Church of Christ, all of which are rife with heretics at every level: national leaders, college and seminary professors, pastors and local bishops.
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Ex-ELCA
12/21/2012 07:02:26 am
How come sludge like Rev. Dr. Don Carlson have well paid calls in the church, paid for by dead people who donated money to support the confession, and yet confessional pastors like myself have nothing? It makes me sick.
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Didaskalos
12/21/2012 10:30:44 pm
And aren't we impressed by his puerile, in-your-face insouciance as he boasts about his self-absorbed heretical maunderings: "I’m retiring at the end of May anyway so don’t waste time with the heresy accusations."
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Pr. Don Carlson
12/23/2012 09:33:10 am
Dan,
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Dan - Exposing the ELCA
12/26/2012 02:27:51 pm
Rev. Carlson,
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1/12/2013 03:10:54 am
Rev. Carlson,
Kathy S
12/27/2012 03:08:26 am
Rev. Carlson -- I also disapprove of comments that call you "sludge" -- this is not a Christian attitude. I am not attacking you personally.
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12/23/2013 09:59:18 am
It appears that Rev. Carlson doesn't know what he believes for sure. This is typical ELCA trash.
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3/27/2014 11:50:59 am
http://commonsenseforasenslessworld.blogspot.com/2014/01/house-of-cards.html
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Chad
12/25/2012 03:44:17 am
People often suppose that Jesus was half human and half God, but Christian orthodoxy teaches that he was fully human and fully God. (Consult the Athanasian Creed. The English translation in the Lutheran Book of Worship says "existing fully as God, fully as man," though some translations render it "perfect God and perfect man.")
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Chad
12/27/2012 08:25:42 am
I agree with one statement Rev. Carlson made: "[Accounts of virgin or miraculous births] were not intended to explain where the individual got 23 of his or her chromosomes."
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Kathy S
12/28/2012 02:21:39 am
What!? This is crazy. Are you trying to tell me that in 1721 -- or in 1 A.D. -- people didn't know how babies were made? If the Virgin Mary was not a virgin -- literally, the way we all understand it -- then she was having sex outside of marriage. Wait! I get it! If the Virgin Mary could have sex outside of marriage, then so can all of us! It's not a sin! Isn't it wonderful to live in times of such enlightenment.
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Chad
12/29/2012 07:08:12 am
Kathy,
Didaskalos
12/29/2012 11:36:08 pm
What medical science knows today makes the virgin birth even more miraculous and wonderful, something only God could and did do. On the one hand, we have a miraculous conception by Mary, a virgin who had not known a man when Jesus was conceived and whose husband Joseph did not have relations with her until after Jesus was born.
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Kathy S
12/29/2012 11:19:55 am
I must be really dense, but what does this have to do with the Doctrine of the Virgin Birth? Do you believe in the miraculous way in which Jesus was conceived, or, like the Modernists, want to explain it away -- along with about half of the Scripture?
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Chad
12/30/2012 06:45:39 am
Kathy,
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Kathy S
12/30/2012 02:39:34 am
Didaskalos -- that is beautiful. My comment was a response to Chad.
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Janet Muldoon
1/1/2013 03:20:40 am
What's new? I was born in 1942 and I have come to believe tons of men and women in this day and age do not believe in miracles because they have come to believe humans are little Gods especially many in the modern day clergy. If I need to know something, I Google the Bible. It was written by men of faith. I have had enough of those who spend full time attempting to discredit or disqualify the Holy Word of God in an order to make themselves look better and smarter than God and Gods faith inspired men who wrote it. Either the Bible is true or it is false. If it is true than it is entirely true. Anyone who denies Biblicle Truth, is not a man or women of God. I have read the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. You do not have to be a brain surgeon or doctor of theology to understand it. I spent over 50 years caring for the sick, injured, dying, mentally ill, and those giving birth.... guess what... I believe in miracles without a doubt and the miracles I have witnessed are thanks to God. Every flower that blooms is a miracle. We need some gardeners and farmers to teach in the seminaries instead of a bunch of heathen social scientists walking in circles like Pavlovs dog. It is time to cut the spin and look TRUTH in the face.
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Kathy S
1/1/2013 10:19:26 am
Janet -- I was born in 1945, so I, too, have seen a lot; and I've read the Bible cover-to-cover several times. In my case, in the 1980s, I worked for a while in a faith-based drug re-hab house in Miami, FL. That opened my eyes. The one question the recuperating addicts had was: Is the Bible true? (Is it from God?)
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Chad
1/3/2013 04:34:43 am
Kathy,
Stacey
1/2/2013 11:28:30 pm
Pastor Don: I very much appreciate the fact that you commented on this article, and I wish that people would not resort to name-calling when discussing these things, as it helps neither side.
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Kathy S
1/3/2013 11:21:21 am
A wonderful comment, Stacey, both in tone and content.
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Janet Muldoon
1/7/2013 02:15:32 am
So well said... Stacy, thank you as many, such as me, are so frustrated with having to cope with those who doubt and need concrete answers for everything. Many are like St Paul before his dramatic conversion, "bull headed" and blind. I am used to working with teens. All they understand is the truth in plain, simple English. If anyone is offended with what I write, so be it.
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