How ELCA Pastors View Scripture

9/16/2014

You read some interesting things when you peruse an ELCA clergy Facebook page. Here are a few dandies from pastors in the ELCA:

(About the Truth of Scripture)

“Personally as a postmodern I try to stay away from the history question and treat everything I read in Scripture especially as story.”

(Again about the Truth of God's Word)

“When it comes to Paul, we have to remember who we're dealing with: the radical Jew who oversaw the stoning of Stephen; who went around the countryside to arrest Christians; a man who, even converted, was a zealot for his faith. Certainly Paul's witness is important; certainly Paul is not infallible. I simply think he got this one wrong.”

(About what Christ said in Scripture)

"we don't have the words of Jesus. We have what the Gospel writers report about what Jesus said - and, most likely, in a language (Greek) that is different from what Jesus used (Aramaic). We have the authors interpretation of Jesus' words."

(About what God has said in Scripture about creation)

“God has said nothing. God preserved for us a Jahwist tradition about creation from about 950 BC and a Priestly tradition (based loosely on a Babylonian creation story) from 600-500 BC. God didn't write either of them. They didn't come to us like tablets of stone from a mountain. The words weren't written on a wall like in Daniel.”

(Again about God's creation account)

“no marriage the garden, just companionship. Of course God put A & E together, there was no one else. Except those women that Cain and Abel found. Oh, gee... maybe the creation story (s) is a myth?”

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The above quotes come from a closed Facebook group and some of them can be viewed at this link (here) if you are a member of the group.

2 Comments

Fred

9/17/2014 03:37:03 am

Here is a good sermon by a true Lutheran Pastor who pegs this idolatry for what it is:

http://www.pastormattrichard.com/#!/2014/08/yeah-i-believe-in-jesus-but-my-jesus.html

"This tactic of not rejecting the Lord, but redefining Him according to our own agendas is the result of the old Adam at work. Keep in mind that your sinful nature, that is your corrupt and evil nature that you have inherited from Adam’s fall into sin, does not believe the Gospel, never has believed the Gospel and never will believe the Gospel. The old Adam operates from the context of unbelief. This sinful nature wants independence, not dependence. This sinful nature wants to have everything, including the Lord underneath his thumb. This freedom and control can be cleverly attained, though, through the means of idolatry. To put it briefly, the old Adam is sly in that he won’t flatly reject the Christ and the Gospel for the fear of being exposed. Rather, the old sinful nature will attempt to redefine Christ into his own image.

Jesus, yeah I believe in Jesus, but my Jesus doesn’t judge anyone and loves everyone.

Jesus, yeah I believe in Jesus, but my Jesus wouldn’t send anyone to hell.

Jesus, yeah I believe in Jesus, but my Jesus embraces all forms of sexuality and lifestyles.

Jesus, yeah I believe in Jesus, but my Jesus makes me stronger, more likeable, and better by teaching me to believe in myself.

Jesus, yeah I believe in Jesus, but my Jesus mainly teaches me how to be better by obeying His commandments and isn’t really into all that cross-bearing and dying stuff.

Jesus, yeah I believe in Jesus, but my Jesus is not going to suffer and die but overthrow the Roman Empire.

Dear friends, when we hijack and redefine Jesus according to our own definitions and agendas, we become the mouthpiece and tool of Satan."

Glenn Whitmore link

9/18/2014 08:13:31 am

Conveniently skimming over Genesis 5:4 re: the population of the world is a great way for ELCA pastors to debunk the Creation story.

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