ELCA's Election Depression

11/6/2014

The statement below is written by an ELCA pastor who posted this on an ELCA facebook page -

“After last night I am close to despair. There are so many now who will be out of the scope of concern in policy and practice. More time will be wasted trying to take new health insurance from those newly covered. Keystone will probably be approved to the detriment of the land, creatures and people from whom it will be taken. National parks and sanctuaries will be in danger. Safety nets will be cut to pay back the money poured into this election. Any new Supreme Court justices will be anti Roe v Wade and pro Citizen's United. Global climate change is now in the hands of people don't believe in science and creationism will be supported in science classrooms.... These are the platforms that our newly elected politicians won on. I am so disappointed that we are the self elevating, it's all about me, to Hell with the poor nation owned by money.

Here is Iowa we now have Steve King and Joni Ernst in Washington.

As John Steward said, last night money won. Ideas lost.

As advocates for the least among us we will need to be vigilant and even more counter cultural. Kyrie eleison.”

60 ELCA people “liked” this post.

Anybody else have problems with this ELCA pastor's lament?

11 Comments

Kathy S.

11/6/2014 05:57:30 am

As has been said many times before, the ELCA is indistinguishable from the Democratic Party. What jumped out at me was the comment about Roe v Wade. The ELCA's unquestioned assumption seems to be that Roe v Wade and abortion are good.

I was encouraged, however, to read "to Hell with the poor nation...." At least this pastor acknowledges Hell -- and capitalizes it.

Rad

11/6/2014 08:54:37 am

According to Wikepedia Joni Ernst is an ELCA Lutheran.

Didaskalos link

11/6/2014 09:06:11 pm

Do you suppose her ELCA bishop will throw her (and maybe her whole church) out of the ELCA for her biblical, un-ELCA-like defense of preborn babies?

http://www.joniforiowa.com/press-releases/sba-list-candidate-fund-endorses-joni-ernst-u-s-senate-iowa/

Nate link

11/6/2014 10:14:21 am

For a leader of the Eternally Liberal Church of America, this sounds just about right.

David M. Offutt link

11/6/2014 10:43:00 am

Wow. Just wow. This is coming from a Pastor? Does this man really believe that his fellow Lutherans (of which I am one) can only be motivated by "self-elevating,it's all about me, to Hell with the poor nation owned by money" if they vote Conservative/Republican? I would submit that for us Conservative Lutherans WE in fact vote for ideas; among them the notion that God has given us freedom and free-will, and that we are not meant to live in a debasing (for that is what it is) welfare state that has only increased the number of poor in America. I would also submit that the good Pastor really cares little for the poor in his support for policies that can only increase the cost of energy. His apparent support for abortion has already been noted. I am quite happy not to share his "ideas" as a concerned Christian.

11/6/2014 09:10:02 pm

While preborn babies breathe a slight sigh of relief with the elections of a good number of pro-life Senators and Representatives, this ELCA wolf in pastor’s clothing whines that these little ones, known by God and fashioned by Him in the womb [Psalm 139], may henceforth not be so easily sacrificed on Roe v Wade's and Planned Parenthood's altar of “choice.” He’s no doubt feeling a little mollified that his own Ersatz Lutheran Church in America will continue to fund abortion for any reason up to 20 weeks in its self-funded health plan. [ http://www.exposingtheelca.com/on-abortion.html ]

The most risible statement in his godless jeremiad: "we will need to be vigilant and even more counter cultural.” The ELCA is nothing if not quintessentially, fawningly cultural, prostrating itself before the world and obeying its master’s every command.

"Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . .”

Dennis Di Mauro

11/7/2014 04:50:09 am

Shouldn't all Lutheran pastors oppose Rowe v. Wade? We all have our political opinions, but there are some things we should agree upon, and one of those things is the preciousness of babies in the womb.

David

11/12/2014 03:00:38 pm

People are more likely to join denominations by political leanings than by doctrinal agreements. Weird, sad, but true. So if someone who is Republican is looking for a church home, they would choose the LCMS over the ELCA even if they may believe everyone goes to heaven.
However, is this pastor perhaps forgetting about two kingdoms? It's possible, but they didn't say anything about salvation, so perhaps not.

Chuck Braun

11/13/2014 05:46:38 am

I am a former ELCA member now in the LCMS. I have been pro-life ever since 1973. I also believe that for Christians with same-sex attraction, their particular affliction of sin calls for being confessed and absolved. NOT blessed, as resolved by the ELCA. Jesus died for all sinners, and all sins, and He seeks that those who trust in Him are to live a life of repentance, rather than to delude themselves into thinking their sins are not sins, however hard they may be to avoid. And I believe that faith in Jesus is the only Way to eternal life. As to the exact nature of God's eternal punishment we may speculate, but Jesus sternly warned us about Hell more than He reassured us about Heaven, so we must take Him at His word that Hell is real, and to be avoided at all cost. And since leaders in the Church are held to a higher standard, those in ecclesiastical authority who would lead people from the true faith to the lies of human beings are destined to a more severe punishment than those they led astray. Any pastor who preaches universal salvation is clearly in danger of forfeiting their own salvation.

Nonetheless, there are many Republicans in my former ELCA congregation of varying degrees of theological orthodoxy. Many are pro-life. And in the parking lot of my current LCMS church, there are one or two bumper stickers on cars for Democrats. But at least my LCMS pastors are staying true to the Scriptures, unlike most of my former ELCA shepherds had been. And we drop our politics at the door when we enter our LCMS church, unlike many ELCA pastors and laity I've had to put up with in the past

Neither Democrats nor Republicans have platforms that agree fully with my Christian faith. And I shall vote for the party which is less hostile to that Christian faith. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian, sadly. But thanks to him, we have religious freedom in this nation. God can even use unbelievers like Jefferson to allow the free practice of Christianity or other faiths.

This ELCA pastor is ignoring Two Kingdoms, and could possibly even believe that our hope in Christ is for this life only, as some ELCA pastors sadly believe, or that all will be saved...

Do not kid yourself, every heresy that exists in the ELCA is found in the LCMS, although to a far lesser degree. May the Holy Spirit ever lead all who call themselves Christians towards the truth of God's Word and the eternal salvation found in Christ alone, by the gift of grace through faith in Him. And not just us Lutherans...

11/14/2014 01:12:51 pm

Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
The Lord Jesus did not say, ‘I did not come to bring peace.’ But what He did say is this: Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. He did not come to bring peace on this earth. That is to say, He did not come to change the social structure of this world. He did not come to bring a social peace to a world that is living in sin and in disobedience to God. Jesus cannot bring peace to the world as it is now. But He does bring peace to those who come in repentance to the Lord for their sins. We have to understand that peace comes only to those who have responded to God’s salvation. There will be no peace in this world until man’s heart is changed. And how can man’s heart ever be changed? It is changed when the cross comes into his life, when the sword of Jesus pierces through his heart.

John link

11/15/2014 07:49:37 am

Poor ELCA pastor. And so begins the weeping and gnashing of teeth...

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