ELCA Women's Study
Posted on the internet by a Lutheran pastor -
I'm looking for resources on the dangers of inter-faith dialogue that can help me explain at a basic level to my parishioners why it is not bigoted or unloving to say on the basis of scripture that faith in Christ Jesus is the one and only way to salvation.
This month I teach all the women's circles in my congregation and once again I'm dismayed at the ELCA women's study. This first month is about the conversion of Paul and focuses on an analysis of the human experience of conversion, lifting up examples of other faith conversions, Jewish, Buddhist, Islam with the implication that these are all legitimate paths to God.
The author compares the influence of Paul and Augustine and their influence on the Christian church with a middle ages Muslim named al-Ghazali who "influenced Islam and helped Muslims relate to God both intellectually and emotionally."
She goes on to give another example of "a person who grew up Lutheran was taught that only Christians are "saved" joins a Jewish-Christian weekly Bible study and comes to appreciate the worth of other paths to God, while remaining a loyal Lutheran."
My first impulse is to rave and rant but I know the best course is to teach them out of error. Any suggestions? Please pray for me:-)
9/27/2014 02:57:13 am
Dear Lutheran Pastor,
9/27/2014 05:35:32 am
The Catholic Church has a very clear teaching on this subject (CCC #839-848) which would be very helpful to this poor man.
9/28/2014 07:33:45 pm
"Kathy" how is this at all different or useful - this is EXACTLY why their was a Reformation to begin with!
9/29/2014 06:17:14 am
Fred, you are misunderstanding the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Catechism is clear that we are saved by faith and not works.
9/29/2014 09:13:10 am
I'm so glad you responded to Kathy! You speak truth! Thank you!!
9/30/2014 02:47:46 am
161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. "Since "without faith it is impossible to please [God]" and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life 'But he who endures to the end.'"
10/2/2014 08:52:14 pm
"Kathy" you are saved by Christ.
10/2/2014 08:54:58 pm
"Kathy" if you think the Roman Catholic Church teaches that you are saved by faith alone on account of Christ alone you are either a fool or a liar (or both) - the Truth is not in you.
G G Liddy
10/2/2014 08:57:20 pm
I'm so glad you responded to Kathy AGAIN! You speak truth!
10/4/2014 09:07:16 am
Fred, the CCC is translated into English (and all other languages) from Latin. "Obtaining" is a convenient word in translation. Don't take it so literally. And Fred, I am not a "fool or a liar" -- that is pretty rude.
10/5/2014 05:57:56 am
"Anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Matthew 5:22)
10/5/2014 10:00:20 am
Fred's god punishes the good with eternal torture because they are imperfect, and rewards the wicked with eternal bliss, provided only that they TRUST they will not be punished. This despite the fact that the Apology says that God REQUIRES the righteousness of reason (article IV, section 22), and in at least four places it asserts that faith cannot coexist with mortal sin (sections 48, 64, 115, 144).
10/5/2014 11:36:49 am
Fred, thanks for making such a clear and consistent presentation of the Gospel, and for posting the RCC flow chart -- we can use it to contrast the mess of legalism versus the purity of the Gospel.
9/27/2014 07:32:42 am
Expect the ELCA -- a la the Jesus Seminar -- to bring up a new convention resolution to strike Jesus' words in John 14:6 from the ERSV (ELCA Revised Standard Version). While they're at it, they'd better expunge Paul's words in Acts 4:12, too.
9/29/2014 03:37:09 am
"Commenting on (Galatians) verse 2 specifically, Luther emphasized Paul’s strict delineation between justification by faith through hearing the Gospel or justification by works of the Law.
9/29/2014 11:08:47 am
Dear Lutheran Pastor,
10/5/2014 06:08:14 am
"Jesus said to his Jews: 'The law was for servants; love God as I love him, as his son. What are morals to us sons of God?' " (Friedrich Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil" #164)
10/6/2014 09:04:59 am
Christians are saved by faith which is a free gift given to us by Jesus Christ, the true son of God. However, faith without works is nothing. Good works are the manifestion of true faith. It results as a fruit of walking in faith.
10/8/2014 01:18:58 am
"...every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." (Matthew 7:17-20)
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