No need to believe in Jesus. Believe whatever you want. ELCA seminary professor, David J. Lull, says you are going to heaven no matter what.
This is Part 2 (see Part 1) of an examination of Dr. David J. Lull, Professor of New Testament at Wartburg Theological Seminary series of lectures in January 2010 titled, "Preaching Lent and Easter."
The following are quotes from Dr. Lull's lectures -
"For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom [lytron] for many (Mk 10.45) - The term 'many' is not restrictive, as if it meant 'to give his life as a ‘ransom’ for some but not all'; rather, it is equivalent to 'all': 'to give his life as a ‘ransom’ for all.' And we know that 'all means all': not just Christians, or believers, or good people, but all people." (pages 6-7)
"We need to pause a moment to consider another reason why I’m skipping over the important ecumenical discussion of 'the doctrine of justification.' I have come to believe that, as important as that Reformation doctrine is, along with the partial rapprochement between Lutherans and Roman Catholics on that doctrine—to which the Methodists have added their affirmation—that doctrine’s vision of salvation is too limited. It isn’t big enough to encompass those who are sinned against: the innocent poor, especially the poorest among the poor; the innocent victims of violence in their homes, communities; innocent victims of war; innocent victims of genetic malfunctions and disease; innocent victims of ordinary accidents; and innocent creatures who are victims of ecological injustice. The list could go on. These innocent victims do not need forgiveness for their plight!" (page 3-4)
"God’s salvation is for 'all.' The problem is that Paul wrote that 'if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.' Doesn’t that mean salvation is only for confessing Christians? But Paul also quoted Isa 28.16: 'No one who believes in him [that is, God] will be put to shame.'
And Joel 2.32: 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord [that is, God] shall be saved.' Also, remember that this section of Romans begins with 'the righteousness that
comes from faith says…' (Rom 10.6). For Paul, a monotheistic Jew, that means faith in God." (page 12)
"Jesus did not have to die as a condition of God’s forgiveness of sins. Mark knew that Jesus knew that God had always forgiven the sins of “many/all,” and that God would keep on forgiving their sins." (page 9)
Dr. Lull teaches the future pastors of the ELCA, and has been for many years. If the students believe this teaching of universal salvation then when they are pastors they will not be telling anyone about the truth of salvation in Jesus Christ. The lost will remain lost, just as the devil wants.
5/21/2010 04:10:18 am
Dr. Lull is one example of Lutheran seminaries tenuring instructors who come from a different confessional tradition than ours. Dr. Lull is a Methodist. When the doctrine of justification is falsely interpreted by those who have no idea what the doctrine purports, then we wind up disseminating false information from someone who is not familiar with the Lutheran Confessions. As an ELCA pastor who has experienced this first hand in other contexts, I am committed in my own small way to interpreting correctly what the New Testament says about justification by faith. Justification means that someone else (Jesus)has become my vindicator against sin and evil in my life. Faith receives what is promised. I doubt a Methodist could understand this basic New Testament lesson.
5/21/2010 09:53:29 am
I agree with your thoughts and Dr. Lull is a Methodist teaching at a ELCA seminary. I would add that there are many professors/pastors/bishops in the ELCA that are also teaching universal salvation. It can even find this on the ELCA official website. Here is more information on the ELCA and universal salvation - http://www.exposingtheelca.com/on-universal-salvation.html
5/22/2010 06:13:13 am
re Dr. Lull's statement: "God’s salvation is for 'all.' The problem is that Paul wrote that 'if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.' Doesn’t that mean salvation is only for confessing Christians? But Paul also quoted Isa 28.16: 'No one who believes in him [that is, God] will be put to shame.'
9/17/2015 10:49:40 am
Mr.arminian- Isaiah in chapter 53 prophesied that Jesus would be sent to justify many and Jesus during the accounts of the supper said He came to shed His blood for many. And in Matthew 22 Jesus said many are called but few are chosen. So God calls out to all who are able and meant to hear and know of Jesus but only the Spiritual draw John 6:44 can reveal us to and believe Jesus, which is why only few are Chosen by Father from before the foundation of world Ephesians 1:4. And why no man cooperates with God for salvation as no man can produce in him the faith to believe Jesus Eph 2:8,Heb 12:2 nor take action to repent while in depravity which can only be granted to so by God. So no man can come to Jesus in order to believe in whom He says He is without Fathers Choosing and The Holy Spirits Baptism-Regeneration. Then Gods Gift of Faith and Grant to repent is giving to you. It would be of no affect to give you faith and repentance before making your spirit alive and giving you a new heart.
12/1/2010 10:06:50 pm
Thank you to those who wrote correcting Dr. Lull's twisting of the Gospels. I've been deeply submerged in God's Word for many years, feel that the Holy Spirit has guided me towards understanding scriptural truth, but haven't been able to find a church whose mission statement and/or de facto practices reflect true and pure scriptural doctrine.
4/23/2013 09:43:23 am
Regarding the minister forgiving sins, my understanding of the matter is that it is God who forgives the sins of anyone who confesses his sin (see I John 1:9). The minister merely declares God's forgiveness to the individual with a troubled conscience. The minister acts only as a spokesman, or at most (in the case of individual confession), a judge of the genuineness of one's repentance.
The Reverend D. Mitchell Evans
9/25/2017 04:00:38 pm
I will use sola scriptura as my sure defense, not what a professor thinks to be true.
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