Dr. David J. Lull, Professor of New Testament at Wartburg Theological Seminary gave a series of lectures in January 2010 titled, "Preaching Lent and Easter." It is amazing what ELCA pastors are being taught by our seminaries.
For all of my life I thought Jesus died for my sins. Thankfully Dr. Lull set me and the 2000 years of Christian teachers and believers straight.
Here is what Dr. Lull teaches.
"Jesus did not have to die as a condition of God’s forgiveness of sins. Mark knew that Jesus knew that God had always forgiven the sins of “many/all,” and that God would keep on forgiving their sins." (page 9, http://www.wartburgseminary.edu/uploadedfiles/
" . . .I can’t get past the idea that God had a thirst for innocent blood that had to be quenched, or that God’s justice required a death-penalty for sinners until Jesus’
death satisfied God’s wrath. Even if Bible passages can be made to support these ideas, I can’t get past the idea that God had been unforgiving before Jesus died. That’s not the God I find in the Bible." (Page 1, http://www.wartburgseminary.edu/uploadedfiles/
"So, an alternative to traditional substitutionary or satisfaction atonement theories is to think of “Good Friday,” not as the beginning of God’s saving action in Jesus, but as its “end,” in the sense that it represents the aim and purpose, the “first passion,” of what God was doing in Jesus’ life all along: namely, entering in full solidarity and accompaniment with the marginalized and oppressed." (Page 2,
Fellow Christians. Please investigate what your denomination is teaching and decide if you want to continue to be part of that denomination and what they teach.
5/12/2010 08:10:05 am
Wondering if you're familiar with the book, What's Going on Among the Lutherans? by Patsy Leppien and J. Kincaid Smith. It's published by Northwestern Publishing House.
5/12/2010 08:54:21 am
I'm not, but from a search on the web, it looks like it would be good to read.
5/25/2010 02:27:59 am
Lull harps continuously on "innocent victims". There are no innocent victims for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Even the economically poor. It is not as if suffering was limited to a group of people. The people in power also have a burden and responsibility to keep things in order. The rich are burdened with both guilt and responsibility. This does not equate to making an utopia, as Dr. Lull would like. Lull's simplistic framework out of which he operates, forgets that Jesus also agreed with his accusers and so was put to death along with his own complicity and agreement with the verdict at his final hearing. Lull's fantasy land of good guys and bad guys is not supported by the NT witness.
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