ELCA Pastor Has an Idea

11/3/2017

In the wake of the recent New York City terrorist attack where a Muslim man drove a pickup truck into pedestrians yelling "Allahu Akbar" (which is common with Islamist attacks) we have this, from ELCA pastor Lura Groen:

Idea for Christian worship: leader chants Psalm 48 (or similar praise psalm) congregational response is “Allahu Akbar.”
— Lura Groen (@lura_groen) November 2, 2017

ELCA pastor Lura Groen has graced the pages of our websites many times (see here) and recently shared the stage with ELCA Presiding Bishop Elizabeth Eaton. (see here)

5 Comments

Didaskalos link

11/3/2017 08:24:42 pm

So why go halfway in invoking and praising a "god" that isn't God? Let the ELCA syncretists intone piously: ""There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger."

Ex-Presiding Bishop Hanson would approve: "The one God whom we worship is a God not only of judgment, but of mercy and peace."

Mark S. Hanson: "An Open Letter to Jewish, Muslim, and Christian Leaders" -- http://web.archive.org/web/20070214062821/http://www.elca.org/bishop/m_060809letter.html

John

11/4/2017 11:34:51 am

With a nod to the Westboro Baptists, Pr Lura Groen now wants to deride Christians with shouts of Allahu Akbar. Perhaps she will write a funeral liturgy for ISIS victims along that theme. She could even hold her grand premiere at the next June memorial for the Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting -- yes, what better way to show her support for alternative sexualities, than with that ISIS motto of love and peace!
Or maybe because of ISIS's success in running children's camps, she can sponsor an ISIS training experience at the next ELCA Youth Gathering! Radical hospitality!!!

But all sarcasm aside, Elcanites, this is a prime example of the trainwreck in which you are involved. Find the nearest exit and get out to a safe distance, away from the noise and smoke, as soon as possible.

Phil Conway

11/5/2017 07:24:59 pm

Here's what the Koran says about Christians:

"Infidels now are they who say, 'God is the Messiah, Son of Mary;' for the Messiah said, 'O children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' Whoever shall join other gods with God, God shall forbid him the Garden, and his abode shall be the Fire; and the wicked shall have no helpers. They surely are Infidels who say, "God is the third of three;' for there is no god but one God: and if they refrain not from what they say, a grievous chastisement shall light on such of them as are Infidels." (Koran 5:76-77)

"Say to the infidels: If they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's." (Koran 8:39-40)

"When the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush; but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way." (Koran 9:5)

"Believers, those who ascribe partners to God are truly unclean: do not let them come near the Sacred Mosque after this year.... Fight those of the People of the Book who do not truly believe in God and the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His Messenger (Mohammed) have forbidden, who do not obey the rule of justice, until they pay the tax promptly and agree to submit. The Jews said, 'Ezra is the son of God,' and the Christians said, 'The Messiah is the son of God': they said this with their own mouths, repeating what earlier disbelievers had said. May God thwart them!" (Koran 9:28-30)

David

11/7/2017 10:49:58 am

She's reaching back to the point that the word "Allah" is simply Arabic for "god." It is not the name of the god, but a direct translation. Now, given that Islam is a different religion, are there tacit or connotative differences between the Christian God and the Islamic god? Yeah, there are. It's not a good idea, but in her mind, she's not necessarily bringing Islam into the worship or saying it's equal to Christianity. But then again, she is ELCA so she could be.

Slade the Leveller

3/12/2018 07:54:08 am

"...are there tacit or connotative differences between the Christian God and the Islamic god?"

You (and others) might want to consult the following book.

"Is the Father of Jesus the God of Muhammad?" by Timothy George

https://www.amazon.com/Father-Jesus-God-Muhammad/dp/0310247489/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1520859027&sr=8-7&keywords=Timothy+George

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