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ELCA Leaders Respond to Bible-Believing Creationist

12/4/2014

11 Comments

 
There are few ELCA pastors that believe the Biblical account of creation (see here). Recently a discussion took place on a facebook page for ELCA clergy that began with an ELCA pastor writing this -

“After teaching introduction to the OT for a group of laypersons in our synod, I was disappointed that one of the ten persons blasted everything I taught about Genesis for her final paper and presentation. It took courage, I think, for her to make her presentation, but she basically said that, if you believe in any form of evolution or if you believe someone other than Moses wrote Genesis or if you believe that the days of Genesis 1 are not literal 24-hour days, you're a godless pagan who goes against scientific principles and sound reasoning. I'm still astonished... and a bit disappointed.”

The comments that followed were revealing:

  • “i'm often astonished and saddened how many people insist on believing in Mosaic authorship and 'literal creation.'"

  • “Don't worry...I used to believe that too”

  • “I can remember a lot of wounded people taking Pentateuch back in Seminary days. A lot of students started out not far from this woman's position and moved to a different one. It takes time. Perhaps you planted seeds.”

  • “I would assume that kind of hyper conservative view of Genesis, Evolution, etc....is VERY common in our pews. I know it's very common here in Southern Indiana.”

  • “had a similar experience in my last parish. People in the pews actually believe we all come from Adam and Eve.”

  • 'If she is planning on being a certified lay preacher, I say NO to that person's being approved.”

  • “you can't fix crazy.”

11 Comments
Didaskalos link
12/5/2014 03:17:23 am

More warmed-over Gnosticism from the Ersatz Lutheran Church in America, which proudly claims to know more than Jesus, Who said, "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me."

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Rad
12/6/2014 12:32:52 pm

They sound just like the Pharisees don't they.

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Kathy Suarez
12/7/2014 03:45:13 am

While I agree with almost everything on this website, I will disagree here. This is really a misunderstanding. What you are actually saying is that we should believe the Bible is the Word of God. This, of course, is true. You think that if we do not accept a literal interpretation of the English translation of the creation stories in Genesis we are, well, Pharisees. I have had the opportunity to study the Torah with Jewish rabbis, and many of them say that the Hebrew Scriptures have meaning on at least 10 levels. One level is the literal, plain meaning level, but there are many, many other levels and many other meanings. The Hebrew Scriptures are vast and mysterious, as is the Mind of God. The Hebrew language is vast and mysterious. By comparison, the Greek New Testament is a straight-forward narrative.

It is Fundamentalism to say there is only one, literal meaning of the Genesis stories. By holding to this position you are greatly weakening your other views.

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Aaron
12/8/2014 05:38:44 am

Sorry Kathy, I'm not trained in any way and a former ELCA church member but I have to go with Paul who I figure knew the Torah pretty well. The wages of sin is death and by one man, Adam, sin entered the world and by one man, Jesus Christ, we are saved. By tossing in an evolutionary world view would be what actually causes my other views to weaken.

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Rad
12/8/2014 11:44:47 am

The whole justification of Jesus' life and death is predicated on the existence of Adam and the forbidden fruit he and Eve ate. Without the original sin, who needs to be redeemed? Without Adam's fall into a life of constant sin terminated by death, what purpose is there to Christianity? None.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned

Rad
12/7/2014 02:13:55 pm

Martin Luther must have been a Fundamentalist.
Martin Luther believed in Creation and taught that the world was young. For example, Luther stated,
“We know from Moses that the world was not in existence before 6,000 years ago.”Luther insisted that Moses wrote about Creation in normal, literal language.

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Michael Mapus
12/8/2014 04:41:54 am

Jesus and Paul also took the fundamentalist approach with Genesis also. Paul was a "Hebrew of Hebrews", I never read anything from him concerning 10 levels, instead he took it as it is plainly written.

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Wayne Almlie
12/8/2014 12:53:16 pm

They have tossed out justification in favor of universalism, they have tossed out the law in favor of licenciousness, they have followed the world on every other doctine, of course they will follow it here. They want the world to love them, they will have their reward.

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Mel Wegman
12/8/2014 08:18:02 pm

These comments are just more evidence that the world is getting ready for the soon return of Jesus. It was the religious rulers who should have known what the old testament said about the coming Messiah yet they who they were the ones trying to persecute and stop Jesus at every turn. Jesus did not condemn the prostitutes, and the tax collector's or even the conquering Roman army, but his harshest condemnation was for the Jewish religious rulers. So when you see the world and the organized church becoming more and more hostile to bible believing Christians, then smile and look up "while we wait for the blessed hope, the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ". Titus 2:13.

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Rad
12/9/2014 05:15:25 am

Ah yes, Come Lord Jesus

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Linda
12/14/2014 09:31:36 am

Amen.


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