Just one week ago a delegation from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which included ELCA Presiding Bishop Elizabeth A. Eaton, held a meeting with a Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Executive Committee member. The ELCA delegation sat with the Palestine Liberation Organization representative listening to the outright fabrications the PLO is famous for creating about Israel. The PLO issued a press release afterward summarizing the meeting. Here is a segment from the press release; please note the sinister lies many of the statements contain -
(The PLO Executive Committee member) “briefed the ELCA delegation on the latest political developments, including current Palestinian initiatives and political options for the future; Israel’s ongoing violations of international law and human rights, including the escalation in Israel’s illegal settlement enterprise, the expansion of the apartheid wall and checkpoints, the annexation and political, geographical and cultural transformation of Jerusalem, the targeting of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and its worshipers and Israel’s efforts to incite a holy war in the region, Israel’s most recent horrific war in Gaza, the superimposition of ‘Greater Israel’ on historical Palestine, and Israeli policies of ethnic cleansing, particularly in Jerusalem, Area C and the Negev; the substantial diminishment of Christians from Palestine due to Israeli policies of military occupation; Israel’s withholding of Palestinian tax revenues; and the domestic situation and rift in Palestine, as well as issues of mutual interest and cooperation.” (read here)
So far there has been no press release from the ELCA about this meeting.
1/27/2015 12:44:24 am
Lutherans generally don't believe that Biblical Israel will be restored in the End Times, as some other Christians do. Nonetheless, Israel is a democracy, which is antithetical to many in the Islamic world. Israel has freedom of religion. Jews, Christians and Muslims are all allowed to practice their faiths in Israel. While neither side is by any means without sin in the Israeli/Palestinian standoff, at least the Israelis do not strap bombs to women and children to kill innocent people. Israel has only used deadly force in retaliation for Palestinian-based attacks on Israeli civilians in recent times.
1/27/2015 02:42:45 pm
(1 Samuel chapter 15)
1/28/2015 01:15:36 pm
"A man is never condemned to a spiritual punishment for another man's sin, because spiritual punishment affects the soul, in respect of which each man is master of himself. But sometimes a man is condemned to punishment in temporal matters for the sin of another.... thus even the good are punished in temporal matters together with the wicked, for not having condemned their sins.... By the judgment of God children are punished in temporal matters together with their parents, both because they are a possession of their parents, so that their parents are punished also in their person, and because this is for their good lest, should they be spared, they might imitate the sins of their parents, and thus deserve to be punished still more severely." (Thomas Aquinas, SUMMA THEOLOGICA, Pt. 2, Second Part, question 108, article 4) http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3108.htm
1/29/2015 12:07:04 am
As I understand it, the nation of Israel was commanded by God Himself to exact His wrath on the heathen nations which stood against His Hebrew nation. As the wages of sin is death, they were acting as His agent in dispensing this just wrath of the LORD.
1/30/2015 01:18:50 am
Chuck, you've brought up an important issue. Killing unbelievers as a punishment for unbelief is the Muslim rationale for holy war, not the Jewish rationale. Over and over we encounter "Kill the unbelievers" in the Koran (e.g., 4:56; 5:33; 8:12-13; 8:38-40; 9:5; 9:29; 9:123; 33:60-61; 47:4). There is nothing in the context to indicate that this is not a universal commandment (for all times and places).
1/31/2015 05:46:33 am
(Koran 4:50) O ye to whom the Scriptures have been given! believe in what we have sent down confirmatory of the Scripture which is in your hands, ere we efface your features, and twist your head round backward, or curse you as we cursed the Sabbath-breakers....
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