ELCA Leaders BlamE Christians In Wake of Orlando Tragedy

6/22/2016

The mindless evil being spouted by many liberals is catching on in the ELCA. For some it seems that "the Christians" are to blame for the Muslim terrorist slaughtering of LGBT people in Orlando.

Here is what Meagan McLaughlin, a first-call pastoral candidate in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America had to say on an ELCA Clergy Facebook page.

I will leave it to you, the reader, to interpret what ELCA Texas-Louisiana Gulf Coast Synod Bishop Mike Rinehart means when he says "Even the debate over human sexuality in the ELCA dehumanized. Those who maintain the 'sinfulness' of LGBTQIA folks participate #faithimpulse." (Pulse is the name of the gay nightclub where the massacre took place in Florida.)

Even the debate over human sexuality in the ELCA dehumanized. Those who maintain the "sinfulness" of LGBTQIA folks participate #faithimpulse
— Mike Rinehart (@BreadTweet) June 20, 2016

If you haven't read my previous blog about the Orlando terrorist attack (see here) it contains two different ELCA pastors and one ELCA bishop who place blame for the attack on Christians.

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Didaskalos link

6/23/2016 11:54:08 am

** From Dr. Michael Brown's "An Open Letter To A Gay Christian" -- https://stream.org/an-open-letter-to-a-gay-christian/

. . ."So, here are my questions for you, which I write as someone who is absolutely committed to bringing healing and salvation to as many people as possible.

"First, how can we “build relational and religious paradigms free of hate” when you are branding our sacred convictions as hateful?

"If we are 100 percent sure that the Bible condemns homosexual practice, how can we hold to that teaching without you feeling that we hate you? If we are sure that our heavenly Father does not sanction same-sex relationships, no matter how loving and committed they may be, what would you have us do?

"We absolutely want to be true to you, but we can only be true to you if we are true to God.

"Second, if we cannot have real fellowship with professing Christians whom we believe are practicing sin — I’m not talking about the people of the world but about people who claim to be followers of Jesus — how can we have true fellowship with you if we believe you are living in sin?

"We absolutely welcome anyone who struggles with any sin of the flesh or any fallen desire (and everyone one of us has these in our lives in one dimension or another), but we do not welcome those who celebrate their lifestyle as blessed by God when are we convinced that is not the case.

"How do we resolve this?

"Third, since you identify as bisexual, what stops you from affirming your heterosexual attraction as God-given and your homosexual attraction as fleshly, whatever its cause or root? Since all of us are called to deny ourselves and take up the cross and follow Jesus, why not deny that aspect of yourself?

"More fundamentally, why identify as bisexual?

"What if you had other, deep, seemingly unchangeable desires that were ugly and shameful? (Again, on some level, all believers acknowledge such desires, at least at some point of their walk with the Lord.) Would you publicly identify as that?

"If you truly know the Lord, then that’s who are you: a son of God, washed in the blood of Jesus, even if you struggle with same-sex attraction. Your attractions don’t define you. The world may think like that, but we who know the Lord should know better than to fall into that trap.

"Fourth, what do you say to those who are ex-gay? Do you embrace their stories and thank God for their transformation, or do you deny their stories and even call them liars or self-deceived? I have friends who went from gay to straight, others who experienced partial shifts, and others who are still same-sex attracted but are living celibate and blessed lives in the Lord. What kind of camaraderie do you have with them?" . . .

** One reviewer's comment on Dr. Brown's book "Can You Be Gay and Christian?: Responding With Love and Truth to Questions About Homosexuality" -- https://www.amazon.com/Can-You-Gay-Christian-Homosexuality/dp/162136593X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

"Dr. Brown once again has stood by the truth of the Bible. The truths that are present and for all to see. The truths that, in this day and age have come under fire time and time again. This book has no content of bashing or hate or ill filled agendas as some would think.

"The larger issue at play here is that fact that so many want to shape the Bible around their lives instead of shaping their lives around the Bible and the truths contained inside and of the teaching of Jesus Christ.

"As stated before, this book is in no way a "gay bashing, hate filled bigoted view". Dr. Brown time and time again states with love his view on this matter. But above all that, he expresses the love that Christ shows us and in turn it is displayed in the pages of this book.

"I am proud that he is willing to stand his ground on the solid foundation of the Bible, and not the fading sands of what is popular in the worlds eyes. The biggest issue, as he states in his book " people want to view the Bible through the lens of homosexuality and not view homosexuality through the lens of the Bible." That is a profound and true state that can be applied to various walks of life.

"Thank you Dr. Brown for not wavering on the fundamental truths that Christianity is based upon and also for showing that this issue can be spoken about and witnessed about with a humble heart and a loving heart."

Dean

6/24/2016 09:52:39 am

The Orlando victims had indeed been demonized and dehumanized in the assassin's mind--by the Koran--because they were non-Muslims.

(Koran 48:13) "We have prepared a blazing Fire for those who do not believe in God and His Messenger [i.e., Mohammed]."

(5:72-73) "Those who say, 'God is the Messiah, son of Mary.' have defied God. The Messiah himself said, 'Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers. Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying the truth: there is only One God. If they do not stop what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist."

(98:6) "Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of people."

(5:64-65) "Say: O people of the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians]! do ye not disavow us only because we believe in God, and in what He hath sent down to us, and in what He hath sent down aforetime, and because most of you are doers of ill? Say: Can I announce to you any retribution worse than that which awaiteth them with God? They whom God hast cursed and with whom He hath been angry--some of them hath He changed into apes and swine."

(7:166) "But when they [i.e., the Jews] proudly persisted in that which was forbidden, we said to them, 'Become scouted apes;' and then thy Lord declared that until the day of the resurrection, he would surely send against them those who should evil entreat and chastise them."

(40:72-73) "They who treat the Book [i.e., the Koran] and the message with which we have sent our Sent Ones, as a lie, shall know the truth hereafter, when the collars shall be on their necks and the chains to drag them into Hell: then in the fire shall they be burned."

(41:25-28) "Yet the unbelievers say, 'Hearken not to this Koran, but keep up a talking, that ye may overpower the voice of the reader.' Surely therefore will we cause the unbelievers to taste a terrible punishment; and recompense them according to the worst of their actions. This the reward of the enemies of God, --the Fire! it shall be their eternal abode, in requital for their gainsaying our signs."

Todd Williamson

6/25/2016 02:29:21 pm

We don't know (and Pr. Meagan McLaughlin doesn't know) that Omar Mateen was gay. He had been frequenting the Pulse nightclub because he was casing it: he was doing reconnaissance and studying the layout, etc. He had been going to Disney World repeatedly for the same reason, not because he was a Mouseketeer. Disney World security had flagged him as a suspicious individual.

6/27/2016 11:24:43 am

"[In 2014] the FBI interviews Mateen about possible connections with Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, a Florida man who became the first known American suicide bomber in Syria. The two men frequented the same mosque. Mohammed Malik, another man from Mateen;s mosque, notifies the FBI that Mateen spoke of Anwar al-Awlaki--the American-born Muslim scholar and cleric who acted as a spokesman for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Mateen also watched al-Awlaki's videos, Malik said."

(from the article, :Omar Mateen Timeline: Days Before the Rampage") http://www.ketv.com/national/omar-mateen-timeline-days-before-the-rampage/40173632

"Disney security officials told the FBI they believe Mateen visited Disney World on April 26 to conduct surveillance, a law enforcement official told CNN. The FBI is investigating that possibility. Mateen's wife [Noor Salman] also was with him on the Disney World visit. Federal authorities have questioned Salman, who told them, according to a law enforcement official, that HER HUSBAND HAD TALKED ABOUT A JIHADIST ATTACK but she denied knowing he planned to attack the gay club."

(from the article, "Source: Orlando Gunman Scouted Out Disney") http://www.ketv.com/national/patron-mateen-was-familiar-face-at-pulse-nighclub/40042902

Meagan McLaughlin is clearly wrong in saying Mateen had no connection with radical Islam.

6/27/2016 03:07:53 pm

"Omar Mateen...is believed to be a radical Muslim who followed Marcus Dwayne Robertson. Robertson, who is known as Abu Taubah to his thousands of followers, converted at least 36 people to his version of Islam while he was imprisoned for four years in jail.... Mateen was enrolled in (Robertson's online) Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary."

(from the article, "Orlando terrorist connected to Muslim cleric who was released from prison last year after he converted 36 people in jail and runs a website used to dispense his teachings")
www.dailymail.co.uk

Sasha Kwapinski

6/29/2016 12:03:16 am

Liberals go to ridiculous extremes to assuage guilt trips that exist only in their imaginations. They feel guilty for being white, mail, non-poor,or American. If that doesn't suffice, they'll feel guilty for being Christian.

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